From: "DONALD LEE" To: thearidsite@juno.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:38:43 +0000 Subject: Re: truth Message-ID: Received: from mx05.nyc.untd.com (mx05.nyc.untd.com [10.140.24.65]) by maildeliver05.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCLCCXZAY72AMJ for (sender ); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 03:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f35.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.45]) by mx05.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCLCCXYAC3HBLS for (sender ); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 03:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 03:38:45 -0700 Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:38:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Status: Replied X-Juno-Att: 0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 64.4.56.45|bay101-f35.bay101.hotmail.com|hotmail.com|whiteplainz@msn.com X-MAIL-INFO: 30006599d9dc380995d905dd5cf525f8ad4895b5c1e5b591f879916938f1b5c92171599191592515cc89ac15e9782c8cfccccc0135cd05cd7528f5759dd1959dada85cd52ce139d1e1bd0121b8418d85a5353c483d3139a86891e8916909a169c50d6cc59cac8c356148c80d48a9a8ad88d995c19868dc19594dc865981559c9c5915de88d25e9eced7d2c39f9b85881b83185587c09fc55212d7865fcb1bdbc001dbdf5088d296d4c9599b8a5dc8d81b848f93dc93535359168694d691ca1c585dd75 Return-Path: X-Originating-Email: [whiteplainz@msn.com] X-ContentStamp: 70:35:1967746925 X-Sender: whiteplainz@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [70.18.48.139] In-Reply-To: <20060627.043623.3996.0.thearidsite@juno.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2006 10:38:45.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDBE2E30:01C699D5] X-UNTD-UBE: -1 here like I said I don'y waste too much time with men who rant and rave. Check the site not the one labeled www.multistalk, we'll speak again this is for sure. Take care of what you are doing for now. You follow other sites closely don't you? Lose your affinity for me. later rationaldl >From: ARID Site >To: whiteplainz@msn.com >Subject: Re: truth >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:02:44 -0400 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:57:24 +0000 "DONALD LEE" writes: > > To All: I just quickly went through quite a long site devoted to my > > short comings. I usually don't waste time with men who rant and > > rave. I was turned on to this I belive by another source who might > > have seen your diatribe in it's entirety. > >Interesting. You always come back for more so you must be a >masochist, despite you addressing this "To All" (there is no "All"). >So quit hiding behind others, take responsibility for your own >actions and just say it: > >You read more and you got offended by the truth yet again. There is >no "another source" for you are reading it from yourself through a >mirror. You reacted by initiating more contact, contact for which you >are responsible. > >That reflection is pretty ugly, isn't it? It's all you. > > > The security risks I'll have to accept. because I am trying to put > > this all under one umbrella, and it is to convince a court system. > > My site is back [URL snipped --Ed] you might be able to find > > some substantiation of my claims. > >When you choose not to name names of people and places then there is >very little risk to you. Meanwhile, back at your webpage, your links >to your documentation still don't work and your claims are yet >unproven. > >I remain unconvinced. I expect the court to likewise expect solid >evidence and, when not provided such, to laugh the case out as a >frivolous lawsuit. > > > AS to my statementsa bout geshe Roach, I am slowly working on > > something where I can present it to the public in a visual format. > > Hopefully we won't have to communicate about it again. > >There is no "we" outside of just you initiating communication once >again (nice responsibility dodge, BTW), me and some ASCII plaintext >between us. > > > WE CAME TO BELIEVE. IT IS TRUE AND THEY DID. Word games I won't > > play either with you. > >Again, there is no "we" and there is no "they". Besides, why even >bother writing to me? You must derive pleasure from debasing yourself >like this against your own better judgement. You make ZERO sense >complaining about "word games" when you send me this irresponsible >nonsense of yours. > >You appear to be... > >...ADDICTED! > >Do you even have a clue, or even a conscience for that matter? > >Or, dare I ask, are you just terminally stupid? > >All I have is a spotlight shining the light on truth as the >cockroaches scurry for the darkness. I have no tinfoil hats though, >and my Black Helicopter (tinBH) is in Roswell NM getting serviced. > > > I don't like the step groups, and they are comprised of people, > > people who used once, they exist and do have a success rate, as do > > other groups. > >No, they don't have a success rate ("groups" comprised of "people", >"people" who even used MORE than once too, obviously exist). "Step >groups" have an abysmal failure rate. But don't take my word for it. >A.A. said so through its own buried surveys, Vaillant's interview and >even a co-founder of A.A. Secret Agent Orange has even more >documentation which includes that: > >http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html > >Take a week off to read it in its entirety, from top to bottom. >Afterwards, grab a few of the works Orange cited. Learn something. > >The top "program" is, of course, refusing to ever put another >dram/gram of that crap into your body ever again. It's free and >COMPLETELY anonymous. It's also know by one quaint little word which >isn't used much anymore around such cult nonsense in AAmerica: > >"QUIT!" > > > Anything else is opinion as was Bill W's work WE won't communicate > > again on this. But if you are into other sites you might get to see > > some of it in a visual format. So until then. So Long > >What "we"? You're throwing another hissy fit as always and chose me >as your scapegoat du jour. You really must like me or something. Or >maybe you're angry because of the exposure of your ruse. ;-> > >No matter. I'm entertained by your irresponsible futility. > > > I am still of the opinion that there has been too much and too many > > lives wrecked in America by drugs, so if a stepper keeps clean > > with it I won't argue that he doesn't, or because I feel the > > program so lousy that he couldn't possibly be clean in it because > > it doesn't work, therefore he must be a liar. > >You've completely missed the point as always. > >ANYONE can choose to become securely abstinent for addiction is a >choice. ANYONE, including YOU, can remain off the dope for good >without meetings, shrinks, counseling or other expensive bureaucratic >nonsense. The fact is that A.A. and the addiction treatment industry >is nothing more than a gigantic waste of time and money in lieu of >its staggering failure rate which makes addiction "recovery" harder >than it needs to be. > >And the cost for teaching people how to quit once and for all? Little >to no expenditure. It's amazing what a little encouragement in the >form of Informed Consent to someone within the grip of substance >addiction can accomplish in regards to their goal of quitting. >Unfortunately, the opposite occurs every single day within AAmerica: >People are told "once an addict, always an addict" and are encouraged >to remain within the system rather than leave it for good. > >As a whole, the recovery group movement and addiction "treatment" >industry cannot be reformed. It can only be abolished. All or >nothing. Black and white. It can all end with as little as a walkout >with ZERO bureaucratic intervention. > >For someone who claims not to be a Buchmanite you remain awfully >defensive about your group affiliation. Then again you are a >Buchmanite. To the max. I have the evidence in your own words, no >less. No one is being fooled here. > > > Don't be so infatuated with my desire not to be afilliated with you > > on a personal level. I don't hang with too many steppers either. > > rationaldl > >- From "short comings" to "afilliated"? You ARE a Buchmanite! > >Heh heh heh...and YOU just had to TELL me all of that, right? It's >been...what, over three months? Here I am, chillin' and enjoying the >summer and you got another wild hair. Doesn't matter. Just keep >typin' away. > >Besides, who sent that E-mail on Monday, 26 Jun 2006? I surely didn't >so it appears that someone else was looking for some affila...err, >attention. > >Like, say...oh, a snubbed online predator who just happens to be a >Buchmanite in denial? > >Poor thing. You can't fool everyone. > >Oh well. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. > >dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ >Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * > >PGP keys at: >** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBRKCCy7w9MOKEeRC8EQJzBgCggP3NUllYAoNfEe1j8TRhJ6wRAuAAoJIH >1gXfqTIJah4Hvm0t9Ktn0S9v >=+cEi >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/