From: don lee To: ARID Site Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:44:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the darker side of gangstalking Message-ID: <20060302024430.2629.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from mx15.nyc.untd.com (mx15.nyc.untd.com [10.140.24.75]) by maildeliver16.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCANZAQA7S5UC2 for (sender ); Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.206]) by mx15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCANZAQAMV87T2 for (sender ); Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2631 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2006 02:44:30 -0000 Received: from [71.247.121.58] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:44:29 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Status: Replied X-Juno-Att: 0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 68.142.207.206|web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com|web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com|dlleelee@yahoo.com X-MAIL-INFO: 063d3db0e109a1a40924a1a41dd150e9ed35b4a5358125218d300031f5e145c4c179b4ddfdfdc9648505808551058010e0ad396d44c40144a5a4a184d599cd9464d0155541c469941955c5c99d51e48129e5e01520f5c1f5c15435543d095470b5901529bd75b54de5750d2524710081 Return-Path: X-ContentStamp: 91:45:3122505734 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cwygoFZFXWX/v+lPFOsHSMlDUK5Ke6FRxIAD0O9jr6v8a2vTHlXDZFjpykUL4+CF0oNpuJyG9HONUspGZgHv6qM1KUIbvjQJ3ukKzui+uqSmAqVPY1+WjCvFR7dPDBB8NYPvoGmYNLnrRf/w/6on+d4hjFXmwn9NuIB4MgDvxMw= ; In-Reply-To: <20060301.092328.1624.0.thearidsite@juno.com> X-UNTD-UBE: -1 So far no evidence has been turned over to you. Ican't even verify the existence of all claims. If I can do any in NYC, I'll try to let someone know, publically. I'll answer the drinking question. I am mildly affilliated with SMART Recovery. Which uses the REBT approach. By mildly I mean it is a place where I go when and if I feel the need, or even the need for non step sober. I am also slightly familiar with The Trimpies points of view, and don't intend to use again. Surgery has left me in a state where I will take a prescribed medication, as prescribed, when needed. I also will contimue to look into other alternatives to the 12 steps, which offer the public something other than all the attitudes which seem to surround step recovery, and which seem to pervade not only the social services systems and supportive service medical community, which has allowed and cooperated with the step groups to literally make the step groups the PREFERRED METHOD OF TREATMENT. Education, the publics is one of the most important tools that alternative users can have or do. rationaldl --- ARID Site wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:07:38 -0800 (PST) don lee > writes: > > > You are a clever guy. Someone musthave read your > > article and seen my name. As usual I agree with > some > > of what you say and disagree with some. I was > taken by > > surprise by seeing my name in print, and all the > > merits of the victims completely trashed. > > I happy you read it. Many other people also read the > pages at The > ARID Site too. Now if you can cite where I'm wrong > then I'll gladly > research more and issue a retraction. Please bear in > mind that > Occam's Razor is in effect. > > You have to understand that you are responsible for > what you wrote. > Once it was out in the open the veracity of your > claims would be > tested. Your claims failed that test. > > There are no victims of "gangstalking" simply > because there is no > conclusive empirical evidence. Of course that lack > of evidence IS > evidence, right? Typical circular reasoning. > > Your claims are akin to a bunch of people swearing > that the sky is > purple with pink polka dots and that none who > believe that truth are > "in" on the vast gangstalking conspiracy. No matter > how many people > there are who make such a claim one can plainly see > that the sky is > not that way. > > > Many can't afford to purchase equipment which > might > > prove the existence of their claims, and from some > of > > the films which I have seen, they could be staged, > or > > the victim might have walked in to what appeared > to be > > a drug deal in progress, bit left me wondering. > > Again, that's a cop out. Certainly they could pool > there resources > which would be amazingly simple to do to buy and > test the equipment. > Unfortunately, they choose to not apply Occam's > Razor to the problem > and realize the truth: The burden of proof falls > upon anyone who > makes the claims. If they can't back up their claims > with actual > empirical evidence then their claims are a fantasy. > > > As for your questions, I found it more productive > to > > continue on with what I was doing rather than take > a > > short class in AVRT. > > Well, since you brought it up... > > What is your plan concerning your future use of > drugs and alcohol? > With the bad consequences you experienced from your > use of those > substances, are you or are you not ever going to use > them again? > > > The numbered sequence 1-through 12 has a ring of > > logic, the keading of a person from a God as we > > understood him, to a God as we understand him is > > another point of logical thought. > > Unfortunately, there is no logic to be found with > the Twelve Steps. > You're confusing numerology for logic. > > There is NO step within the Twelve Steps which > states explicitly to > NEVER DRINK/USE. That's not logical. That's just > more fantasy. What > that fantasy is promoted as a "truth" then it's a > Big Lie. It's a > pro-addiction religious cult indoctrination program > which uses the > desperation produced by addiction and the phobias > induced by the cult > itself based in that desperation to convince people > to "keep coming > back". > > > As with most cults there are truths and half > truths > > mixed together. > > A cult NEVER lives up to its advertised promises. In > A.A.'s case it > has never been an organization which teaches people > to quit drinking. > Read pp. 77 of the book Alcoholics Anonymous for > A.A.'s REAL purpose. > > A sign of someone who is under cult influence is > that the person > can't answer simple questions and chooses to not > answer them and > become very agitated and defensive instead. So I'll > post them again > at the end of this E-mail that you initiated. > > > I hope to be able to put some of it together for > the > > small access cable network. > > P.T. Barnum, eat your heart out. I certainly hope > more people don't > fall for the Big Lie. At least there is one voice > out there in the > cyber wilderness to counter it. > > > The phenomenon is real, how many suffer from it? > It is > > anyone's guess! > > It's as real as the disease mythology of addiction: > Only true via > anecdote of the true believers, masquerading as > "victims", > themselves. By saying that you don't know, that it's > "anyone's > guess", proves that it's a myth. > > > Like I said you are one sneaky guy. > > Boy, you give me a lot of credit for hiding in plain > sight by running > a public website where I exercise my precious > freedom of speech. A > responsibility inherent in exercising that right is > making sure that > what is published is factual. That's not sneaky. > It's just a check to > balance the power of free speech within the free > marketplace of ideas > to keep everyone honest. > > Now, being that you initiated this, answer these > questions: > > 1) What is your definition (not from a dictionary > but your own idea) > of what Recovery and sobriety is? Is it a process or > an event and > what constitutes a successful Recovery? > > 2) What is the truth and logic in the written words, > throughout the > 12-Steps? > > 3) What is your plan regarding your future use of > drugs and/or > alcohol? > > 4) What specific instances within the media (radio, > television and > film, including advertising) contain instances of > the phrases "Geshe > Roache Lee" and "Shadow Willowist"? Provide > citations documenting > this. > > 5) Regarding "gangstalking", can you mention > specific names and > places regarding the participants in such an > activity? > > Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time! > > dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) > \_____________________________ > Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org > * > Site> > PGP keys at: > > ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds > ** > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com