From: Ray Smith To: ARID Site Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 02:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OFF BOARD Message-ID: <20060408095527.37249.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from mx16.lax.untd.com (mx16.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.76]) by maildeliver28.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDRCERA4UGYJJ for (sender ); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 02:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.155]) by mx16.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDRCERASK2EM2 for (sender ); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 02:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 37251 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2006 09:55:27 -0000 Received: from [205.188.116.135] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:55:26 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1589721725-1144490126=:34160" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Status: Replied X-Juno-Att: 0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 68.142.206.155|web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com|web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com|raysny@yahoo.com X-MAIL-INFO: 023131b589e19124e170912409dd1dc045a9f5f9a90c2d4920000d8d4d89409495c1f5 Return-Path: X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1986888823 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oql5rJasYkDUvsOQPBUK6Kk4rs2K74HYWmKiOSOoiDE2Vv0cSUk7JIK3ONTKFn1C/RtuItUSXnBPgM6lfES4SwIBTkJKQ8AWMPAypzNq7jb/vDLpqm1+NqwYD6422BNQCokscWl5rCESZ1lUNMjAXTEAvjJeTprJ2CINp0CNTSI= ; In-Reply-To: <20060407.224301.1588.6.thearidsite@juno.com> X-UNTD-UBE: -1 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --0-1589721725-1144490126=:34160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Scared of AA" is a joke, and if you've been around any paying any attention, you'd know better. And yes, serious. The founder of the group has been legally fighting AA coercion for years and has come closer to getting his case heard in front of the Supreme Court than anyone else. I'd call that serious, a hell of a lot more serious than petty squabbling with someone on the same side. Arguing with an obviously crazy man only gives the crazy man legitimacy. It makes everyone in the group look like loonies. If you want to fight, go find a stepper. A real one, not an imagined one. ARID Site wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Ray Smith writes: > I think Don has some mental health issues. He is, or at least > always has been, totally anti-AA. Check his site: Just say it: He's nuts! I viewed his site long ago. I'm not convinced. I used to believe him back then until September 2005 when I wised up when he made a ludicrous claim, made a hostile comment towards me and prompted me to question him of his intentions. He has some good bait at the beginning of his screed...then he goes overboard into lala land. And, as much as I'd like to believe that he's anti-A.A., the facts speak otherwise. > He responds with more than a bit of paranoia and I think you're > just feeding him. Nonsense. You had the chance to follow-up on the claims being made and you blew it. The "everyone has an opinion" thing doesn't wash: Either the claims are valid or they are not. If he can't answer simple questions then he's the one with the problem. Not me. Let him get paranoid. He's the only one who has to live with himself for the rest of his life. Thankfully, I'm not him. I possess a conscience which denies me from parroting lies. > I hadn't said anything before, hoping it would blow over if I > asked you two to quit. I'm not sure telling you this is fair to > Don, but I don't want the group getting sidelined. Some > (suspected) AA troll already commented that he was laughing his > ass off. I'm trying to keep 12CW the serious anti-AA group. Oh, NOW you tell the truth! Never in public but here in private? Are you that shit scared of A.A.? Who cares what they think and if they laugh or not! Hell, the only reason why I'm pseudoanonymous is that I infiltrate Buchmanite groups and work within the pharmaceutical biz. Anyhow, it's over. I quit for no one can reason with a cultist. He's well on his way...to where I have no idea. I do have to admit that you got me wondering which side is worse: The Buchmanites themselves or those apologists who believe in "whatever works", including cult indoctrination, and that "we" should all get along in such a false utopian pacifistic "serene" world. Guess what? It ain't happening in this lifetime for that world doesn't exist except as pure grandiose delusion and the cult can't handle hardcore criticism. Besides, the peace option is worn out from all the chances it was given. Serious? More like milquetoast. dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * PGP keys at: ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRDcjBrw9MOKEeRC8EQII/gCffCpLogHnyWFPgo12h/2gcrJAaGAAoNJb 6E/awnWD0rC06JYhMPLnIsg9 =7FK4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0-1589721725-1144490126=:34160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
"Scared of AA" is a joke, and if you've been around any paying any attention, you'd know better.
 
And yes, serious. The founder of the group has been legally fighting AA coercion for years and has come closer to getting his case heard in front of the Supreme Court than anyone else. I'd call that serious, a hell of a lot more serious than petty squabbling with someone on the same side.
 
Arguing with an obviously crazy man only gives the crazy man legitimacy. It makes everyone in the group look like loonies. If you want to fight, go find a stepper. A real one, not an imagined one.


ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> wrote:
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Ray Smith writes:
> I think Don has some mental health issues. He is, or at least
> always has been, totally anti-AA. Check his site:

Just say it: He's nuts!

I viewed his site long ago. I'm not convinced. I used to believe him
back then until September 2005 when I wised up when he made a
ludicrous claim, made a hostile comment towards me and prompted me to
question him of his intentions. He has some good bait at the
beginning of his screed...then he goes overboard into lala land. And,
as much as I'd like to believe that he's anti-A.A., the facts speak
otherwise.

> He responds with more than a bit of paranoia and I think you're
> just feeding him.

Nonsense. You had the chance to follow-up on the claims being made
and you blew it. The "everyone has an opinion" thing doesn't wash:
Either the claims are valid or they are not. If he can't answer
simple questions then he's the one with the problem. Not me.

Let him get paranoid. He's the only one who has to live with himself
for the rest of his life. Thankfully, I'm not him. I possess a
conscience which denies me from parroting lies.

> I hadn't said anything before, hoping it would blow over if I
> asked you two to quit. I'm not sure telling you this is fair to
> Don, but I don't want the group getting sidelined. Some
> (suspected) AA troll already commented that he was laughing his
> ass off. I'm trying to keep 12CW the serious anti-AA group.

Oh, NOW you tell the truth! Never in public but here in private? Are
you that shit scared of A.A.? Who cares what they think and if they
laugh or not! Hell, the only reason why I'm pseudoanonymous is that I
infiltrate Buchmanite groups and work within the pharmaceutical biz.

Anyhow, it's over. I quit for no one can reason with a cultist. He's
well on his way...to where I have no idea. I do have to admit that
you got me wondering which side is worse: The Buchmanites themselves
or those apologists who believe in "whatever works", including cult
indoctrination, and that "we" should all get along in such a false
utopian pacifistic "serene" world.

Guess what? It ain't happening in this lifetime for that world
doesn't exist except as pure grandiose delusion and the cult can't
handle hardcore criticism. Besides, the peace option is worn out from
all the chances it was given. Serious? More like milquetoast.

dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________
Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org *

PGP keys at:
** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds **

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