From rationaldl@... Wed Sep 07 21:32:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rationaldl@... X-Apparently-To: 12-step-free@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26018 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 04:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 04:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31113.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 04:17:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 75621 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2005 04:17:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050908041704.75619.qmail@...> Received: from [162.84.178.99] by web31113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:17:04 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:17:04 -0700 (PDT) To: 12-step-free@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050901.223636.2284.3.thearidsite@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: donald lee Subject: Re: [12-step-free] A.A.'s pending demise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=212857078; y=beZ1h7vCDul5-vZ6melzbYxxYC4UnsdLzWiOmOVfpt6rnsMIUA X-Yahoo-Profile: rationaldl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Dr Bomb: This is a message worth keeping! The business arm is more than just its PR machine. The shelter system of NYC has several places where AA and NA hold meetings right on premises. They receive federal funding for them also. They also probably charge AA or NA for meeting space. The building I am in is Church affilliated. The afilliated church has NA meetings in it. This is part of that 12 step structure. Every hospital has a rehab almost depending on those funds also. the 12 steps is their pet, and has been the mainstay for treatment. The whole of the supportive services which treat, and house the addict causes more problems than the smaller 12 step machine, because a town or city official, who isn't even near any recovery meeting has a say in my or your life and recovery. This political machine is the larger and equally as deadly. rationaldl ARID Site wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 1 Sep 2005 15:17:50 -0000 12-step-free@yahoogroups.com writes: > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:52:57 -0000 > From: "alphafemalerising" > Subject: Re: Dear Detlef > > I notice that ever since the show intervention, there are > regular 'advertisements' for AA and Alanon on regualr television > and VH1. > PROMOTION (the coffers must be down) > HypocritesHypocritesHypocritesHypocritesHypocritesHypocritesHypocrit > es Yup! A.A. is only growing by 0.19% PER YEAR since 1999. That's maybe around 5000 people added to its membership ranks in the U.S. and Canada per year. It is an organization in decline. I NEVER would underestimate the bastards though. The push by its business arm, the addiction treatment industry, through its P.R. via programming on "rehab" on television are attempts to "educate" the masses. "Treatment Works" is the common mantra as, for example, the HBO documentary "REHAB" showed the direct opposite despite the message which was being pushed. The cognitive dissonance is there: "Treatment Works" yet fails 80% of the time. I'm betting it's worse than that. As long as the publicity machine is well fueled by profits masked by the charlatans disguised as do-gooder Good Samaritans then the lies will continue and more people will be harmed by institutionalized doctrines which cause more harm than the original substance addiction. dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site: http://thearidsite.tripod.com PGP keys at http://thearidsite.tripod.com/ARIDPGPK.TXT ** The Twelve Steps are a downward spiral staircase ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBQxewkbw9MOKEeRC8EQLnQwCg7s5+EbG7ad7L1nqQLvg545ORMooAniHy 2ZwjQFMJid+qrAIIOHzPLaBg =aEsx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- SPONSORED LINKS Addiction recovery program Recovery from addiction Addiction recovery center Christian addiction recovery Child support recovery State of iowa child support recovery unit --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "12-step-free" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 12-step-free-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]