From: don lee To: ARID Site Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:43:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the darker side of gangstalking Message-ID: <20060305174348.99997.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from mx26.lax.untd.com (mx26.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.86]) by maildeliver24.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCAYJ4WA2W76FJ for (sender ); Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.203]) by mx26.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCAYJ4WAQWQ782 for (sender ); Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 101 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2006 17:43:48 -0000 Received: from [71.247.121.58] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 09:43:48 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Status: Replied X-Juno-Att: 0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 68.142.207.203|web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com|web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com|dlleelee@yahoo.com X-MAIL-INFO: 17e5e5c020e4f08de470f08d5950f134842910f929056080954df5e94420816591e01049d4d4dd54d12130d1c42130891541adfd24655d24f98df031756194d0545179356d6514d0ed35a4dd1dc4400555111579a544914491642964e5e46400e14579557471e1091171a1607004f505 Return-Path: X-ContentStamp: 77:38:1206971681 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ep70ZcjLHuhXqTkn6fujI69nQNlaMmRbc6e0wZC//UbmOEWXVG4PEN/5U5JKH7rZZ0mi2GCmlvRueXrNWDyvoQ+b5LTyDI3SR4jq2FZ7j2ay2gkULqaeArJ2d/xF4s0B/8+TUNh9IsDefjv7xnF/UfhUAooxgorBoZtWhG6oD4w= ; In-Reply-To: <20060303.211730.4420.0.thearidsite@juno.com> X-UNTD-UBE: -1 Are you a control freak? If I need definitions I will use a dictionary. Have people called you ovrerbearing? Your step work is noble, but don't bug people. later rationaldl --- ARID Site wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:44:29 -0800 (PST) don lee > writes: > > > So far no evidence has been turned over to you. > Ican't > > even verify the existence of all claims. If I can > do > > any in NYC, I'll try to let someone know, > publicly. > > You won't because you know there is no empirical > evidence. I won't > hold my breath waiting for such nonsense because it > is nonsense and > I'd die of asphyxia. > > > I'll answer the drinking question. > > I'd appreciate it if you'd answer the other > questions as well: > > 1) What is your definition (not from a dictionary > but your own idea) > of what Recovery and sobriety is? Is it a process or > an event and > what constitutes a successful Recovery? > > 2) What is the truth and logic in the written words, > throughout the > 12-Steps? > > 4) What specific instances within the media (radio, > television and > film, including advertising) contain instances of > the phrases "Geshe > Roache Lee" and "Shadow Willowist"? Provide > citations documenting > this. > > > I am mildly affilliated with SMART Recovery. Which > > uses the REBT approach. By mildly I mean it is a > place > > where I go when and if I feel the need, or even > the > > need for non step sober. > > In other words, in fear of your own healthy desire > for drugged-up > debauchery you flee to mother group, in this case > SMART, which is > nothing more than a group of apologists for A.A. The > only difference > is that it's based in the rational-emotive Bill$h!t > "therapy" of > secular humanism. > > I'm not against such philosophies, by the way. Such > indoctrination > into ANY philosophy which may go against one's own > native beliefs is > certainly not to be labeled "treatment" or > "aftercare", much less > "therapy" of any kind. > > > I am also slightly familiar with The Trimpies > points > > of view, and don't intend to use again. > > Therefore, you intentionally leave open the > opportunity that you will > use recreational drugs again. I believe such people > who deliberately > do that are never to be trusted. > > In fact ALL irresolute addicts of all stripes are > NEVER to be > trusted. Not for advice, not for support. Especially > those who even > breathe a word of the disease mythology and the > dialect known as > Buchmanese and state nonsense such as, "There is > some truth and logic > in the written words, throughout the 12 steps." > > > Surgery has left me in a state where I will take a > > prescribed medication, as prescribed, when needed. > > So you are in full control of your faculties. So you > trust yourself > with doctor-prescribed medicine. Do you trust > yourself to never use > recreational drugs again in this lifetime or not? > > > I also will contimue to look into other > alternatives > > to the 12 steps, which offer the public something > > other than all the attitudes which seem to > surround > > step recovery, and which seem to pervade not only > the > > social services systems and supportive service > medical > > community, which has allowed and cooperated with > the > > step groups to literally make the step groups the > > PREFERRED METHOD OF TREATMENT. > > The is only one simple and bureaucracy-free > alternative which have > been proven to work again and again: KNOCK IT OFF! > It's what the > truly anonymous do with no muss or fuss. They quit > with no shit and > that's it. > > And yet here you are going to groups while bitching > about the system > yet again. Can't you see that you support that very > system by > engaging in groupism, an A.A. construct, through > your attendance at > SMART, an A.A. apologetics organization which uses > the ruse of > "choice" to whitewash the cult? > > Again, there is no such thing as addiction treatment > for addiction > has never been neither a psychological, genetic nor > pathogenic > disease. It's just's a state of ambivalence which > only the addict can > self-diagnose and no one else. Break through that > ambivalence, as in > unconditionally sticking with your better judgement > which says to > NEVER use, and one is "cured"! > > Addiction treatment, counseling and groups are > examples of organized > fraud across the board which promote further > victimhood and > dependency by exploiting that ambivalence and > thriving on the > desperation and indecision. As long as there are > indecisive people > regarding their own addictions they will be > exploited to "keep coming > back". > > If I can get my P.O. to accept KNOCK IT OFF so can > anyone else. It's > with that I've succeeded by taking the risk of > imprisonment and won. > My advice to you is to drop the "victim" facade for > I certainly don't > buy it and save your own ass for once in your life > for there is no > "help" for you or any other irresolute addict. > > > Education, the publics is one of the most > important > > tools that alternative users can have or do. > > Nah. They just need to quit. That's it. > > dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) > \_____________________________ > Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org > * > Site> > PGP keys at: > > ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds > ** > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBRAjK7bw9MOKEeRC8EQLl8wCg3e6B+2qrSAg0UAACdB3cztc1bFEAoO50 > rasPDWMu3kfJqCVNuEuFcp3C > =bh04 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com