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Mailbag for 2006/07/12
It's an even bigger E-mail backlog...with a bombshell! It's been nearly a year since the last one so I might as well "clear the queue". There's a lot of prime writing sent out to those who inquired from the first of this year. So enjoy the ride!
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ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"golightlymuse" |
Date: |
Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:14:24 -0500 |
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Re: Check out the eCard I sent you from Yahoo! Greetings |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:32:17 -0500 "golightlymuse@aol.com" writes: > Viewing your eCard is a snap! Just choose from the following > options: Thank you for the greeting card! To coincide with the dream I have in mind, I dream of a world which wakes up and realizes the royal scam of addiction treatment and groupism and abolishes it all outright. I hope you and your loved ones' New Year is a happy and fulfilling one. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. :-) dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site: http://thearidsite.tripod.com <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at https://thearidsite.tripod.com/ARIDPGPK.TXT ** The Twelve Steps are a downward spiral staircase ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBQ7hGF7w9MOKEeRC8EQIupwCePXmtRK1EoaSzYGn+kBqgJIGyDSoAoMny FV6C+igPEmZsZjmRUzqaxu5Y =nUuu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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I also get the typical Buchmanite mail:
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ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"Lil Nick" |
Date: |
Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:14:55 -0500 |
Subject: |
Re: AA New Year's Greetings |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 31, Dec 2005 06:45:31 -0500 "Lil Nick" writes: > A New Day, A New Year. May your Higher Power continue to keep > you Safe, Secure and Sober throughout the coming year! > > Yours in recovery, > > Lil Nick Addiction is a choice. I choose to remain securely abstinent in this one lifetime because I can. The only power that there is is simple human stubbornness to stick with that commitment to know right from wrong, take responsibility for one's own actions and act accordingly. What is your plan concerning your future use of alcohol? Given the problems you may have endured from your own choice to intoxicate yourself against your own better judgement, are you or are you not going to intoxicate yourself again in this lifetime? Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site: http://thearidsite.tripod.com <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at https://thearidsite.tripod.com/ARIDPGPK.TXT ** The Twelve Steps are a downward spiral staircase ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBQ7hUObw9MOKEeRC8EQJYJACg0WVkHyy8B+IJaN7JBtwQofe1F68An1ox 0OS7VcWm95Q4dZ6fMulwyzfV =PBDu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Here's some great commentary from one RR-BBS user to another:
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ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"John Canavan" |
Date: |
Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:13 -0500 |
Subject: |
Re: Good Work! |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:10:09 +0000 "John Canavan" writes: > Hi, > I think our paths crossed briefly on the RR message board a couple > of months > ago. Hello John! Yes, I did spend a little of time on the RR-BBS to take a chance and use AVRT to end a compulsive behavior outside of substance addiction. In fact, much to my surprise, it was worth feeling like I had a cold for a couple of days back in May 2005 as I witnessed that Bastard inside me die. So far it's been three-for-three: I quit smoking over a decade ago on my own using my own version of AVRT (I didn't even know what AVRT was at the time), quit drinking a couple of years back using the AVRT crash course and RR:TNC and now rid myself of that other nasty habit (the thread is probably still there if you want to get the details of what was going through my head at the time). > Well done putting this site together. I love to see people getting > down and dirty with some serious unconvoluted AA bashing. I spent 2 > years at those wretched meetings, and like you, booze isn't the > problem today. The warped indoctrination is what I have to deal > with now. Thanks for the compliment. Lately I've been questioning not just A.A. but also the clones. Sometimes you just have to wonder what the differences are between them and A.A. when they promote offshoots of the disease mythology, meeting structures and the like. In the end I realize that the key to killing addiction is to go with your own intuition and beliefs and KNOCK IT OFF independently rather than have a philosophy intertwined with that addiction making it harder than it has to be to end it. After all, any philosophy, from secular humanism right on down to monotheism, has absolutely NOTHING to do with ending one's addiction. One's own integrity is good enough. > It does make me laugh, but my friends ask me why I'm so pissed off! > "Hang on chaps. These people FUCKING BRAINWASHED ME!!! THAT'S > WHY!!!" If it was the Moonies or Scientologists then it would be a > travesty, but because AA seems to have developed some immunity > from criticism, it's somehow allright. This isn't surprising > really, no-one knows what goes on in there because of the cherished > anonymity. That isn't to protect members. It's to stop people from > looking in to see what the organisation does. For starters, tell > any person out there what step 1 and step 3 entails and they don't > believe you. I consider A.A. to be even more dangerous that $cientology or the Church of Unification (well, with Bush in office, the Moonies at least have a kind ear). How many cults have an official office within the United States Government? NIAAA is where our government and the interests of A.A./ASAM/NCADD/etc. converge. It *IS* the official government office of A.A. and the crack in Thomas Jefferson's wall separating religion and government, bar none. What gets me is that in all of the Twelve Steps there is no Step which mentions to KNOCK IT OFF! Within the Activism section of my website I have a pamphlet page where I created a .PDF pamphlet comparing the Twelve Steps and the 200-word description of AVRT side-by-side. I recommend downloading and printing out copies of it and giving the pamphlets to friends, family, and if you want to piss off some people, leaving piles of 'em in treatment centers and A.A. meetings (when I get more time I'll create more...I'm trying to format some essays and useful data into the format while keeping it all professional-looking). Other details: How is "turning your life and will over to the care of God" NOT religious? Or what about "sought through prayer and meditation"? When is prayer NOT religious? When mandated by the courts that's a First Amendment offense. And if the organization is "rigorously honest" why won't A.A. open the books on its current membership figures like they did in 1989 via its "Comments" document? Is it really that deep in trouble? I can only speculate now and collected and compiled some figures to back my assertions up. So many questions and so much text to crank out. 2006 is going to be The ARID Site's year for debunking the myths of "recovery" and further activism against the cult. I'm also getting some guidelines together for an Internet E-mail discussion list I'll start for those who really want to go full-force against the bastards. > Powerless over alcohol? Denying the importance of free will? Na!!!! > Your exaggerating!!! The day AA opens up its doors for the world > to see properly what REALLY goes on, is the day they get laughed > out of town for being a bunch of bonkers religious cultists. I > really do believe that... The irony is that "treatment" wants you NOT to drink yet won't teach you HOW to kill off that bestial self-doubt. Then you wind up at meetings where people talk about how powerless they are over their drinking, even though instead of going to a bar they CHOOSE to show up at a meeting. Oh, and COMMANDS at meetings issued by the true believers who tell those who don't agree with A.A. can go get drunk! And A.A. is an abstinence program? Bill$h!t!!! I laugh at how I used to believe those lies then...then I get pissed and wind up writing some Article drafts, contacting my representatives, etc. But hey! You can buy a digital IC recorder (the one I use is as big as half a pack of "sickarettes") which can record the audio of the cultists and quickly download the audio via its USB port. I've been kicking around the idea of an authentic internet-based anti-addiction radio show but that's way off in the future so I might as well get the idea for one out there. I've recorded my counseling sessions with a true-believer Buchmanite counselor and have some GREAT audio of him stating that I can use Rational Recovery. I've talked a little about Mike Watterson, the counselor from ARC Manor, on my website. For the sake of Informed Consent I will produce his audio online as an endorsement. I may even chide ARC Manor into providing links to Rational Recovery (well, I doubt they'll link but it's worth the fun in trying to convince them). > So, good on you for helping shine some light on the bastards. As > for me, I've left it all behind. I do frequent the RR > messageboards, and like you think that Jack Trimpey is the man. He > gets a lot of stick for telling us the bleeding obvious. Yes, > alcohol makes you feel good, but if it's messing up your life, > then knock it on the head. And it's your choice. Now piss off and > get on with your life without being all touchy-feely and > moist-eyed-aren't-we-special over it. How the hell can you argue > with that? Even today he's viewed by the so-called "alternatives" as being "too-opinionated". As if that's a bad thing! Are the "alternatives" that spineless? (The answer is obvious.) These "alternatives" are nothing more than P.C. apologists for a movement based in fraud. When Trimpey says to avoid ALL recovery groups like the plague, believe him. This is the reason why RRSN was disbanded. I do know that the whole meeting and "recovery" scene is a criminal enterprise and I find it totally tasteless at how ANY organization would emulate A.A.'s largely ineffective methods. Jack Trimpey had it all so correct not just about how easy it is to kill off an addiction but also exposing the fraud at large. That's why the "alternatives" don't like RR:TNC and keep endorsing TSB instead: Their sacred cash cows get gored in the process. For the record, I only fully endorse TWO chapters (comprising FIVE pages) out of TSB: Chapter Three and Four (that's out of about 280 pages, excluding frontmatter). The rest, while appearing interesting, is quickly seen as irrelevant as the fallacy of a two-party addiction care system was contemplated from within its pages. RR:TNC simply blows the doors off of TSB. Those five pages could find a great home within an updated version of RR:TNC. Anyhow, for RR activists, Jack and Deborah are digitizing all issues of the Journal of Rational Recovery into .PDF files and make them all available on CD-ROM. I'm definitely going to grab that product once they release it. I received an issue with their "Untreatables" DVD and was a worthwhile read. > Did I really believe all that AA guff? I must have been desperate! > Good luck! BINGO! That's why most people believe that shit in the first place! I was so desperate that I spent a few thousand dollars to go into a rehab hoping to learn how to quit. Three months later I nearly succeeded in killing myself in driving my car into a ravine when I felt enormous guilt over being drunk and thinking that I was going to die drunk. So I decided to "die high". And if that isn't being brainwashed then I really don't know how else to describe that inner turmoil at the time. I did keep a diary at the time and may scan and post it online for a post-mortem. I survived and I'm still paying that price to this day. It's a price I certainly hope that people in the future never have to pay again. That's my REAL chip on my shoulder...and I dare the CULT to step up and KNOCK IT OFF! > John Thanks for writing, John. It's nice hearing from RR-BBS participants. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time! :-) dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site: http://thearidsite.tripod.com <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at https://thearidsite.tripod.com/ARIDPGPK.TXT ** The Twelve Steps are a downward spiral staircase ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBQ8Qhybw9MOKEeRC8EQKA5ACgxfNDsDUqO9Nd2KPrVOdfpB9CFZMAoJQk /u0PgstmRePwT5guqNiOW0VO =SVsq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Aha! Here's the bombshell! Ray Smith is the listowner for "12-Step_Coercion_Watch", an E-mail list based on Yahoo! which only watches A.A. coercion. He sent me a response after I unsubbed from his "serious" list.
Off board? No kidding! I promised that someone would find out about this entire racket. For the sake of Informed Consent, this exchange shows to what lengths the politically correct apologists for the "secular" recovery group movement will go to protect a corrupt system. Even going as far as to befriend a known Buchmanite and online predator.
Anyhow, Ray Smith's original message to me is priceless because it's proof positive that I'm not the only one who knows that Donald Lee is a fraud. And this is who the so-called "Anti-A.A." movement rallies behind? Someone who has "...some mental health issues"?
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
Ray Smith |
Date: |
Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:42:59 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: OFF BOARD |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Ray Smith writes: > I think Don has some mental health issues. He is, or at least > always has been, totally anti-AA. Check his site: Just say it: He's nuts! I viewed his site long ago. I'm not convinced. I used to believe him back then until September 2005 when I wised up when he made a ludicrous claim, made a hostile comment towards me and prompted me to question him of his intentions. He has some good bait at the beginning of his screed...then he goes overboard into lala land. And, as much as I'd like to believe that he's anti-A.A., the facts speak otherwise. > He responds with more than a bit of paranoia and I think you're > just feeding him. Nonsense. You had the chance to follow-up on the claims being made and you blew it. The "everyone has an opinion" thing doesn't wash: Either the claims are valid or they are not. If he can't answer simple questions then he's the one with the problem. Not me. Let him get paranoid. He's the only one who has to live with himself for the rest of his life. Thankfully, I'm not him. I possess a conscience which denies me from parroting lies. > I hadn't said anything before, hoping it would blow over if I > asked you two to quit. I'm not sure telling you this is fair to > Don, but I don't want the group getting sidelined. Some > (suspected) AA troll already commented that he was laughing his > ass off. I'm trying to keep 12CW the serious anti-AA group. Oh, NOW you tell the truth! Never in public but here in private? Are you that shit scared of A.A.? Who cares what they think and if they laugh or not! Hell, the only reason why I'm pseudoanonymous is that I infiltrate Buchmanite groups and work within the pharmaceutical biz. Anyhow, it's over. I quit for no one can reason with a cultist. He's well on his way...to where I have no idea. I do have to admit that you got me wondering which side is worse: The Buchmanites themselves or those apologists who believe in "whatever works", including cult indoctrination, and that "we" should all get along in such a false utopian pacifistic "serene" world. Guess what? It ain't happening in this lifetime for that world doesn't exist except as pure grandiose delusion and the cult can't handle hardcore criticism. Besides, the peace option is worn out from all the chances it was given. Serious? More like milquetoast. dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRDcjBrw9MOKEeRC8EQII/gCffCpLogHnyWFPgo12h/2gcrJAaGAAoNJb 6E/awnWD0rC06JYhMPLnIsg9 =7FK4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Anyhow, some time went on as I had to tend to some crises back at the compound when Ray replied back. Stick around for there's much more to go.
Here, Kevin agrees that the system is corrupt:
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ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
Kevin |
Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2006 18:23:54 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: Thank You |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 May 2006 17:15:28 EDT Kevin writes: > Dear dr. bomb, Hello Kevin! > I am writing this e-mail to thank you for a site which not only > debunks the cult of AA, but exposes the 'alternatives' for the > succubus they are as well! No no no! I insist! Thank you, Kevin! It's individuals, such as yourself, who speak out and make this all the more worthwhile. Your commentary serves as a great reality check just for the sake of letting me know that I'm not insane. > I have been dismayed by AA, the whole 'human services' field and > all that other crap for some time. I went to AA for 4+ years > (though I was never 'accepted' into the fold, too many questions) > and became depressed to the point of tears. The entanglement of > AA into our culture, judicial system and the blind acceptance by > 'non-alkies' as well as the 'AA sheep' is frightening. As a clinician in training I apologize for the lies which were fed to you by the system. It knows nor cares not what it does simply for the fact that the inmates are running its asylums. The system is depressing to an extent but not impossible to defeat. As long as the possibility of the system's collapse is there then that is something which gives me hope. And, of course, the more people who know and are vocal about it the faster such an outcome can be facilitated. The worst idea that can even be instilled into anyone who is addicted is that they are powerless over the choice to act upon their own desire for pleasure. Even the Social Services System's tendency to pathologize one's own healthy skepticism and righteous anger, two vital tools which can eradicate addiction itself, had led to what I can conclude as an environment ripe for the proliferation of further mass addiction. I myself, while I do engage within some Cloak & Dagger activities within the rooms nowadays for the sake of providing Informed Consent to newbies, can easily see for myself how damaging such an environment is. Desperation turns to depression which, in turn, turns into a form of self-euthanisia; where the "self" is seen as forever damaged and must be shut down by any means necessary. Some go on binges. Some kill themselves off. It's no wonder that one out of FOUR people succeed in suicide within one year of "treatment". I myself came "thatclose" to being such a statistic. The push to eradicate addiction, much less the entire Social Services System, is a largely underground affair. Since this is officially a niche market beware of those who "claim" to be "Anti-A.A." yet profess one form or another of any theory which attempts to remove personal responsibility from the equation. I'd side with anyone who has self-recovered without believing that nonsense that they are "different" in any way, shape or form. The nonsense can be anything, from the myth of addictive "disease" right on down to "genetic" fallacies, which promotes "powerlessness". > I intend to fight this 'disease' in any way I can and appreciate > your passion for truth. If I may ever be of service, please let me > know. > > Sincerely, > > Kevin I thank you for your correspondence. Feel free to help get the word out on what Donald Fagen would consider to be "The NEW Royal Scam". If you have stories, etc. or know someone who has something to say then you have someone here in your corner. As for myself, someone who "cured" himself of addiction, the fight is easily won. You simply choose to make a commitment to quit for good, as in NEVER drinking/drugging again, and following through. The first week, while brutal, is merely an illusion regarding "pain". It's going to feel tough and rough but it's all pose. Ask yourself how much deprivation you'll endure to be free. By the end of the week you'll be laughing your ass off and feeling free! Take that as a fact from a former hardcore nicotine addict (chewer AND smoker) and lush. I highly recommend Rational Recovery's FREE Crash Course on AVRT (tell Jack that dr.bomb sent'cha): http://www.rational.org/recover.html Also, to strengthen your foundation further, check out the excuses used by the Beast by Secret Agent Orange: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-addmonst.html Addiction is easily cured by making up your own mind. Self-recovery is commonplace, very inexpensive and requires no "services" or "support" of any kind. :-) And, if you are no longer addicted and all of the above is redundant, print this message out and give it to those who you know are still suffering within the pro-addiction cult. Finally, be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time! :-) dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRGEWNrw9MOKEeRC8EQJDDwCgk7atnuupke6jQqELWcB+TYYx6hoAmwVq C4Kw1TSjA0jor15BveU/1+Bq =Iaif -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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The webmaster for blamedenial.co.uk chimes in with support as well:
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ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"James Glynn" |
Date: |
Tue, 16 May 2006 17:48:09 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: website |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 11 May 2006 20:11:08 +0100 "James Glynn" writes: > thank you for all your work; it has helped me enormously in the > process of leaving AA and deprogramming from the 12 steps. No problem. It's a public service. If I have helped at least one person then I consider what I have created to be invaluable. > I have set up a new website - www.blamedenial.co.uk - hosted in the > UK about my experience. Very good site. I like it! > I was wondering if you could link to it on your site provided you > agree withit. It is being updated at the moment. Any suggestions > would also be much appreciated. I'll add the link immediately. Other links to feed your head can be found here: https://thearidsite.tripod.com/LINKS.HTM I do have a spiffy "No 12-Steps!" button consisting of a .GIF file and an HTML code fragment which you can place upon your site as a badge of honor: https://thearidsite.tripod.com/NO12STEP.HTM Other than that your site is great! Keep up the good work for we need more voices out there in opposition to Buchmanism. You have something very important to say so say it. ;-> dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRGpIhLw9MOKEeRC8EQKvggCgtA0KmftQggbEb4imUFsLcAJoAFsAnR+w 3arKvQYosDw0WpjAHxQF7lPm =F85O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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After deailing with the crisis of educating a very good friend about Amway/Quixtar and steering them away from that commercial cult, I finally found time to reply back to Ray's response:
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
Ray Smith |
Date: |
Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:03:58 -0400 |
Subject: |
Old Item Revisited (Clearing The Queue) |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is old but, for the sake of tying up loose ends, I need to get this out of the queue and have it on the record. On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 02:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Ray Smith writes: > "Scared of AA" is a joke, and if you've been around any paying any > attention, you'd know better. Oh, I've been around. When I witnessed a few Buchmanites at the St. Andrews Church meeting in New Kensington on more than a few occasions in 2004 bringing GUNS into the room, that's NOT a reason to be concerned? Especially when FELONS are sentenced, yes COERCED, to such meetings? It's not about fear here but outright concern for public safety. And, concerning the high recidivism rates of those exposed to Buchmanism, that concern is further justified. Now I'm not against guns for I am a gun owner. But wouldn't such a witnessed fact draw anyone's attention as to how reactionary A.A. had become? That known criminals are literally coerced with other fellow criminals within a criminal organization which is not what it claims to be? It certainly deserves no apologetics of any kind. As I stated, peace was given a chance for far too long. It's time to throw down 'cause it's on. The newbies need to know the truth of what A.A. is and what it is not. The very first thing is that it never has been an abstinence-based "quit-drinking" organization. The second thing is that self-recovery is commonplace not requiring groups, counselors, shrinks or other expensive bureaucratic nonsense. It would be unconscionable to deny anyone those facts. In fact such a denial denies a client the legal right to Informed Consent. > And yes, serious. The founder of the group has been legally > fighting AA coercion for years and has come closer to getting his > case heard in front of the Supreme Court than anyone else. I'd call > that serious, a hell of a lot more serious than petty squabbling > with someone on the same side. I'm proud of Mr. Perkins. I hope he kicks Buchmanite ass. Therefore you should make the statement that your group merely is a "candle holder" on his behalf and that the group itself only watches. Locally, I've won my battles simply due to the fact that the authorities were simply denied the fact that self-recovery is commonplace. So, as an unsatisfied consumer of all of the above "services", I'll fill that niche which "professionals" of all stripes, from religious to secular, from medicine to science, have forsaken. Be careful with that "same side" exception. Just because someone APPEARS to be on "the same side" doesn't mean to grant an exception to accountability. Whether it be a Buchmanite or otherwise I check all claims. No exceptions. If something even seems remotely suspicious I double-check what's being stated. There's a word for that: Impartiality. Are you sure Don is on the "same side"? Can you not see or are you just blinded by the faux-benevolence exuded from his manipulations? As I stated, I will never be fooled again. Not by him. Not by you. Not by anyone else. I'm on my own and I can live with that. > Arguing with an obviously crazy man only gives the crazy man > legitimacy. It makes everyone in the group look like loonies. If > you want to fight, go find a stepper. A real one, not an imagined > one. Okay. I see. I guess this is a mere delusion on my part to assume that Donald Lee is a Buchmanite apologist: "There is some truth and logic in the written words, throughout the 12 steps." - --Donald Lee, 12-Step-Free, September 5, 2005 @ 11:24:01, Message #102967 "The numbered sequence 1-through 12 has a ring of logic, the keading of a person from a God as we understood him, to a God as we understand him is nother point of logical thought." - --Donald Lee, E-mail, February 28, 2006 Wow...I can see how it's all just a psychosis. Silly me. I guess I need a shrink or a counselor to "help" me into seeing things the way you do for what I see and provide evidence for its existence isn't really there, right? Unbelievable! You're the antithesis of freethought. Oh well. Upward and onward. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRIrRRLw9MOKEeRC8EQIkmQCgg9X4wbDjEBEzEXjyMAo0hc2WHA0AoPk5 LIm/OUFR02wLL7o5qu8kvHqm =BcMp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Undaunted, Ray soldiers on fighting in vain for a lost cause. The damage is already done:
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
Ray Smith |
Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:14:16 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: Old Item Revisited (Clearing The Queue) |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Ray Smith writes: > Totally out of context. You accused me of being "afraid of AA". We > were discussing your feud with Don: You must be afraid. After all, you're the one with your own panties in a bunch about some Buchmanite laughing at your group and my site. So what? Are you that insecure? Lee is a Buchmanite. Case proven and closed. I tried to get him to answer some very simple questions like a gentleman and he simply responded like a child in the throes of an angry tantrum. > Don is doing anti-AA spots for public access television and > you're accusing him of being a stepper. Your arguments with him > made both of you look foolish and it reflects on 12SCW, and your > own ARID > site, I might add. Again, are you absolutely sure Lee is on the same side? If someone can't get simple non-evasive answers from someone arguably on "the same side" then suspicion is justified (I'll comment on his video elsewhere). Likewise, Perkin's case is not the issue here. He has my 100% respect and support. It's the barnacle-like apologists with other agendas who taint his endeavors. Likewise, out of pure moral respect for Perkins, I voluntarily un-Subbed and the prime reason why I'll never come back. There's a world of difference between being "anti-A.A." and being "anti-addiction". It was with that in mind that I consciously chose to label my site "an authentic anti-addiction website". It's only incidental that my writings there are against participation in A.A., much less any other form of procrastination in the form of the social services system as a whole which make quitting an addiction appear difficult (and also being an industry for the manufacture of "mental illness", no less...OF COURSE people are going to go crazy as they beat themselves up when they are forced to believe things which are contradictory). When an organization (A.A.) or entire system embraces the long-refuted pro-addiction "illness" mythology of addiction in ANY of its forms then OF COURSE I'll be critical of it. And, frankly, I could care less what anyone else thinks of what I write. I say want I want and double and even triple-check to make sure that the information I present is all true. So some brainwashed fully-addicted Buchmanites laugh at The ARID Site or, for that matter, your group. So what? I can handle ridicule. And, ironically enough, none have dared to E-mail me a critical response (well, outside of spam) to the documented claims I've made. It's true: If there's something false within my writings then I'd REALLY like to know about it so that the appropriate correction can be made (I'll even give credit as well). The flip-side is that I receive plenty of E-mail from those who found their own suspicions of "The Royal Scam" validated. I'd publish them but the authors have told me to not publish what they say out of fear of being "tracked down". So I respect their confidentiality. You obviously can't handle the pressure and, for the sake of providing Informed Consent to anyone with problems related to their own vices, I feel that publicity should be given concerning people who can't spot a wolf in sheep's clothing. Whatever happens after that is out of my hands. > You want to talk about accountability? What's your part in having > some stepper coming to the group and laughing about your stupid > argument with Don? I'm not afraid of AA, at that point I was > embarrassed that I had allowed you two to hijack the group with > your silly antics. You are really grasping for anything right now. Regarding the Buchmanite, that's not my problem. That's yours. I have absolutely nothing to do with it. And, if you have evidence proving that then I'd love to see it. Otherwise, it's rather unbecoming of you to make a libelous statement such as that and using me as a scapegoat. Oh, and the accusation of a "group hijacking" (is this related to Lee's Black Helicopter [tinBH] "gangstalking" nonsense)? You mean that there can be no discussion of someone making outlandish claims of A.A.'s non-existent "truth" as long as that person is perceived as being "anti-A.A."? Talk about being blinded by political correctness! This is one of the key reasons why the so-called "anti-A.A. movement" is a failure: Complete ambivalence, where it's willing to willing to even go as far as to endorse crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists knowing that the claims made by such fools are fully indefensible. But hey! They APPEAR to be "anti-A.A." so it's okay, "..for the enemy of my enemies is my friend!" And when you choose, of your own volition, to believe such nonsense then that's your problem and not mine. You stated that "Arguing with an obviously crazy man only gives the crazy man legitimacy." And not arguing, not testing their version of reality, makes them illegitimate? You make no sense. What about people who don't know the person is nuts? I'm NEVER going to surrender my right to say something, especially when someone makes an indefensible claim. When someone accuses me of something of which I have no knowledge of (the Vast 12-Stepper Conspiracy [tinC], perhaps) it's the accuser who has to put up or shut up. Your accusation falls right into the category of libelous insanity. If you want to lie while defending the indefensible facade of your fragile little group then, by all means, engage in futility itself. I do know that someone will ultimately find out about this. I mean, do you even have a conscience when you make such contradictory statements? Do you even know right from wrong? As for me and the reason for clearing my queue (my own life and authentic friendships are ultimately a priority and intruded in a timely response), maybe I just needed to see for myself if the so-called "anti-A.A. movement" was ultimately nothing more than a lie. And it goes beyond what you dismiss here as a "petty squabble". It was a number of documented observations which I'll inevitably detail. Maybe you are right. Maybe it is futile to argue with a crazy person. It sure is fun, though. Anyhow, be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRIwIdrw9MOKEeRC8EQKPqQCfQiYXWgHqw3gmWa/Vjrm/ax2CkNEAoORm Tx3m2utMzG6FbZRbgQZv4Us2 =si4j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Garry Nowak, author of the copy of his article Alcoholism: The Volitional Disease, finds his article is alive and well in safe hands:
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"Garry Nowak" |
Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:13 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: Recommended Links |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:20:30 -0400 "Garry Nowak" writes: > To whomever, > My name is Garry Nowak. You have an article authored by me on > your website https://thearidsite.tripod.com/LINKS.HTM. As a direct > result of that article being posted on the Holden Police Department > website I would receive many emails in response to my position > regarding alcoholism. It would be my estimate that over time the > emails would run approximately 50/50, positive/negative. Since the > negative emails would be virtually identical in their criticism of > me I came up with a standardized response to my critics. Included > in my response was one question which to date no one has answered > since no reasonable answer exists. I was wondering if you would > like a copy of that 'email' to include with the piece that > currently resides on your website. > Most respectfully, > Garry Nowak Hello Garry Nowak. I would be interested in that E-mail response to your critics and, for the sake of completeness, I'll even place it online with your article. You've mentioned that the criticism was "virtually identical". Because A.A. is a cult then that means its membership believes and responds with the same dogma and cliches. It's a case where one is just like the rest of 'em. And isn't it interesting that the Buchmanites are contradicting themselves by engaging in "outside issues" and "controversy" by contacting you? Anyhow, thanks for contacting me. Please, my all means, send that E-mail. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time! :-) dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRIwNvrw9MOKEeRC8EQLE5QCglEGR+AkPXLDSijPU5eJ1h8154bYAoNXA rX7VkEgEeZN3/tb62sgs2+yQ =Hiun -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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And Nowak follows up accordingly in spades:
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"Garry Nowak" |
Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:51:33 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: My reply |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:18:14 -0400 "Garry Nowak" writes: > Here is my response letter. Please tell me your thoughts and > opinion. After 32 years as a cop, I have been called every name > in the book in a variety of languages. I curious as to your > opinion. > Respectfully, > Garry Nowak Hello again, Officer Garry Nowak. I must say that your response letter just flat out hit a lot of my concerns about the disease mythology of addiction. In fact you have essentially assured me that I'm not alone regarding my skepticism. In particular I can find no fault in the idea of there being no set standard for what "normal" is short of community standards regarding an individual's behavior. Also, as far as substance addiction being a "disease", I knew it was false simply because it didn't meet the criteria for what a disease was. A ton of documentation disproving substance addiction as a "disease" is available at the following URL: http://www.thearidsite.org/AR050507.HTM Not only is my Article there but there are links to FOUR .PDF files generated straight from Microsoft Encarta which define what cancer, diabetes, T.B. and human disease in general is (all of them are links within Marty Mann's quote at the top of the Article). Likewise, as to how people self-recover from substance addiction, some very interesting documentation and insight is available here: http://www.thearidsite.org/AR060131.HTM In the end there are really no big secrets as to how people quit. In fact the best people to learn such information from are those who have quit without any of that "therapeutic" nonsense whatsoever. It's just a movement/industry which denies and deliberately withholds information on self-recovery for their own political and financial agendas and violating their clients' legal right to full Informed Consent in the process. In other words, highly unethical behavior is the "treatment" prescribed for substance addiction. I really liked your response and would be honored in converting it to HTML to place alongside your article online with your permission. Thanks! And be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. :-) dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRIyCOLw9MOKEeRC8EQI7uwCcD0BJ/NEbTc4U8jMx9BjT8XJf6hwAoNOR iok3oxacVqVNjgfZ/AwczoV7 =8PRr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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...and permission is granted:
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"Garry Nowak" |
Date: |
Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:01:21 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: Please do . . . |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:54:05 -0400 "Garry Nowak" writes: > Please add my response to your website. Thanks Officer. :-) I'll convert it and have it up by tomorrow night. > Just so you are aware: The first article you have posted on > your website is a much shortened version of a 135 page research > paper I did for a degree requirement a few years ago. Within the > original document lies facts that few people know because the > mainstream > ignores them. Some examples: > > * The largest, most expensive research ever done into alcohol > rehabilitation (Project MATCH - estimated price of $25 million > dollars) showed that AA was not the most efficacious modality out > there. In fact it showed that other modalities are more > efficaciously than AA. The huge flaw with Project MATCH is that it failed to include a no-treatment control group. The reason why one wasn't included was that it was considered "inhumane" not to provide treatment. As it turned out, placing humans in "treatment" is far more inhumane than doing nothing. > * A study in 1973 clearly showed that the mere 'taste' of > alcohol would not incite nor precipitate uncontrollable drinking in > alcoholics. This study was considered flawless in its methodology. > The one complaint about the way this study was conducted turned out > to be baseless. That's the Marlatt study. I have an archived HTML file, sans graphics, which explains it. > * Cultural studies showed that alcoholism exists where it is > believed that alcohol has more power than the drinker. It's the big reason why I'm against 12-Step programs to "treat" ANY problem: The First Step proclaims that a human has no control over their own volitional activity. And, from there on, it gets worse for the person who is forced to believe such nonsense. > * AA was founded upon one man's hallucinogenic fantasy. I'd also add that it was both William Griffith Wilson and Dr. Robert Holbrook Smith who, instead of taking full responsibility over their own personal actions, delegated such responsibility to each other. > * Betty Ford, founder and namesake of the Ford Clinic, was not > even close to being an alcoholic by any definition known. > > * Kitty Dukakis who at one time was considered one of the > premier experts on alcoholism and drug addiction because of her own > personal experience was neither an alcoholic nor a drug addict by > any stretch of the imagination. > > * Yet both the two women mentioned previously are considered > experts merely because they self-diagnosed themselves as being > addicts. Their own celebrity prestige also helped to woo America to the fallacy that "treatment works". Like $cientology. > * Many of the government sponsored information sites on > alcoholism and addiction are not free from bias. Many of these > sites were founded by AA 'graduates'. Examples: NCADD, NIAA, and > of all organizations ASAM (the only organization that certifies > medical doctors as addiction specialists was founded by an AA > graduate !!!!) And, in particular, that person who co-founded the NCA (National Council on Alcoholism) with Elvin Jellenek was none other than Margaret "Marty" Mann, whose story, "Women Suffer Too", is found within the Third Edition of the book "Alcoholics Anonymous" (pp. 222-229). The NCA was never unbiased since, in its early years, Bill'n'Bob's names were prominently featured on its official letterhead. > I think you will find my original research is worth the time it > takes to read. I entered into the research without preconceived > bias or prejudiced. I entered into the research for no other reason > than alcoholism is something cops deal with every day and I needed > a subject. As I entered into the research and discovered what I > did, it slowly became my opinion that the truth about alcoholism is > very well hidden from public viewing. I certainly would like to read it. I may even be compelled to help you convert it to HTML so that you can place it online (I could convert it into a .PDF "book", just like I did with a Windows Help version of the book "Twelve Steps And Twelve Traditions", if you don't want a lot of HTML to wrangle). In my own criticism of A.A. the ball really got rolling after an altercation with my first and final sponsor. The day after, after learning the truth of Rational Recovery (I was lied to by "therapists" regarding that organization, and killed that self-doubt and my addiction using AVRT(tm)), I fired him on the spot. It was slowly afterwards that I saw the much-hidden "other side". The truth? Self-recovery is commonplace. Likewise, since self-recovery doesn't involve any therapeutic cult nonsense, it is extremely cost-effective. The person simply quits for good. That *IS* the bottom line of what "recovery" is, especially for recidivists (DUI in particular). Just think what would happen if everyone learned that truth, especially those who want to end their addictions once and for all? The entire pro-addiction recovery group movement (including its secularized counterpart, the so-called "anti-A.A." movement which is practically based on the same lies) and its business arm, the addiction treatment industry, would die! In fact it is all completely obsolete. The movement/industry needs fresh bodies to survive. Do you really think it's going to kill the golden goose by saying that ANYONE can quit an addiction once and for all and teaching them to do so? > If you would like a copy of my original research I would be > glad to email you one. I think you will find it as shocking as I > did. Oh yes! I've done my share of homework, in fact I own and have read numerous books which detail the lies of Buchmanism and addiction in general. That material serves as the backbone of my website. In fact I own and have read ALL the books within the Books section of my website. I even refer to them from time to time for an interesting fact or two. > Respectfully, > Garry Nowak Thank you for writing back. I'll get that up as soon as possible. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time! :-) dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRI3j/Lw9MOKEeRC8EQJ3UgCg0izRWH/C+XgQCGyuSVS35oHIQZEAoPhW ewM75LXZd32Bp+LfT6yLgpGr =IN+k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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More praise from Nowak:
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"Garry Nowak" |
Date: |
Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:32:14 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: Please do . . . |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:23:20 -0400 "Garry Nowak" writes: > For what its worth, here is a copy of my original research. > You appear to be well read within the historical field of > alcoholism and AA. You may be the only one who reads this > document who has prior knowledge of it's contents. After quitting drinking once and for all (not to mention dealing with the repercussions of my own DUI irresponsibility and its punishment), I wanted to learn what other information was withheld from me. Jack Trimpey's book, "Rational Recovery: The New Cure For Substance Addiction" (Pocket Books, 1996), was the first of many books I've purchased and read through the years since 2004. And yes, at the time of purchasing that book, I was a member and supporter of A.A. In the process of reading the other side I realized how I was lied to and how I sold myself short with disastrous consequences. The more I discovered the more I realized that the recovery group movement and its business arm, the addiction treatment industry, is built on lies. It was there I saw it as causing more harm than good, especially when I consider the suicides and my former girlfriend's near-overdose. Anyhow, I never drink now. I can't bring myself to because 1) I won't allow my better judgement to become corrupted and 2) Because the cult and its membership as a whole would LOVE for that to happen to make such an activity into a major scandal. Above everything else, with what I've experienced within the social services system as a whole, I wish to re-enter it as a REAL counselor. I want to be there to tear all of this mess apart from the inside out. It is just a waste of taxpayer money across the board with very few positive results to show for it. The best I can do is to steer as many people away from it as possible. > You may refrain from calling me officer as I will be retired as > of 3pm this coming Sunday. At that time I am chucking my stuff > into the trash and walking out in my underwear. I told the Chief > that I will owe him nothing upon my departure. Many are awaiting > to see if I follow through. This could be a media event :-) I won't ask why but it sure sounds like fun. :-) Have you checked out the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition website? http://www.leap.cc Maybe you have a few tales to tell there regarding the failed experiment known as "The War On Some Drugs". And yes, I've been reading your documentation as I'm E-mailing Secret Agent Orange megabytes of other documentation. He has an awesome website known as The Orange Papers which exposes the entire cult known as A.A.: http://www.orange-papers.org Anyhow, I won't call you "Officer" anymore. I will call you "Mr. Nowak" though. Thanks for your support, be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. Your webpage, the one with the response, is up: http://www.thearidsite.org/12HOLDNR.HTM I'll write an intro News update tomorrow. :-) dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRI9K97w9MOKEeRC8EQK6CACg2f4U17sS3JzML3KLLui7efjO5z4AoP7l UFM2iNmW62QorXokjYqNLUaE =6B6e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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That was great. Now, back to the ugliness of the recovery group movement apologists.
Well lookie here! Donald Lee is back! I was thinking of adding a THIRD page to his Caveat Emptor pages. Then I decided, "Nah...there's enough there." So now, within this Moby Mailbag, Lee returns (note yet another E-mail address within his arsenal...with emphasis on arse):
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"DONALD LEE" |
Date: |
Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:02:44 -0400 |
Subject: |
Re: truth |
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:57:24 +0000 "DONALD LEE" writes:
> To All: I just quickly went through quite a long site devoted to my
> short comings. I usually don't waste time with men who rant and
> rave. I was turned on to this I belive by another source who might
> have seen your diatribe in it's entirety.
Interesting. You always come back for more so you must be a
masochist, despite you addressing this "To All" (there is no "All").
So quit hiding behind others, take responsibility for your own
actions and just say it:
You read more and you got offended by the truth yet again. There is
no "another source" for you are reading it from yourself through a
mirror. You reacted by initiating more contact, contact for which you
are responsible.
That reflection is pretty ugly, isn't it? It's all you.
> The security risks I'll have to accept. because I am trying to put
> this all under one umbrella, and it is to convince a court system.
> My site is back [URL snipped --Ed] you might be able to find
> some substantiation of my claims.
When you choose not to name names of people and places then there is
very little risk to you. Meanwhile, back at your webpage, your links
to your documentation still don't work and your claims are yet
unproven.
I remain unconvinced. I expect the court to likewise expect solid
evidence and, when not provided such, to laugh the case out as a
frivolous lawsuit.
> AS to my statementsa bout geshe Roach, I am slowly working on
> something where I can present it to the public in a visual format.
> Hopefully we won't have to communicate about it again.
There is no "we" outside of just you initiating communication once
again (nice responsibility dodge, BTW), me and some ASCII plaintext
between us.
> WE CAME TO BELIEVE. IT IS TRUE AND THEY DID. Word games I won't
> play either with you.
Again, there is no "we" and there is no "they". Besides, why even
bother writing to me? You must derive pleasure from debasing yourself
like this against your own better judgement. You make ZERO sense
complaining about "word games" when you send me this irresponsible
nonsense of yours.
You appear to be...
...ADDICTED!
Do you even have a clue, or even a conscience for that matter?
Or, dare I ask, are you just terminally stupid?
All I have is a spotlight shining the light on truth as the
cockroaches scurry for the darkness. I have no tinfoil hats though,
and my Black Helicopter (tinBH) is in Roswell NM getting serviced.
> I don't like the step groups, and they are comprised of people,
> people who used once, they exist and do have a success rate, as do
> other groups.
No, they don't have a success rate ("groups" comprised of "people",
"people" who even used MORE than once too, obviously exist). "Step
groups" have an abysmal failure rate. But don't take my word for it.
A.A. said so through its own buried surveys, Vaillant's interview and
even a co-founder of A.A. Secret Agent Orange has even more
documentation which includes that:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html
Take a week off to read it in its entirety, from top to bottom.
Afterwards, grab a few of the works Orange cited. Learn something.
The top "program" is, of course, refusing to ever put another
dram/gram of that crap into your body ever again. It's free and
COMPLETELY anonymous. It's also know by one quaint little word which
isn't used much anymore around such cult nonsense in AAmerica:
"QUIT!"
> Anything else is opinion as was Bill W's work WE won't communicate
> again on this. But if you are into other sites you might get to see
> some of it in a visual format. So until then. So Long
What "we"? You're throwing another hissy fit as always and chose me
as your scapegoat du jour. You really must like me or something. Or
maybe you're angry because of the exposure of your ruse. ;->
No matter. I'm entertained by your irresponsible futility.
> I am still of the opinion that there has been too much and too many
> lives wrecked in America by drugs, so if a stepper keeps clean
> with it I won't argue that he doesn't, or because I feel the
> program so lousy that he couldn't possibly be clean in it because
> it doesn't work, therefore he must be a liar.
You've completely missed the point as always.
ANYONE can choose to become securely abstinent for addiction is a
choice. ANYONE, including YOU, can remain off the dope for good
without meetings, shrinks, counseling or other expensive bureaucratic
nonsense. The fact is that A.A. and the addiction treatment industry
is nothing more than a gigantic waste of time and money in lieu of
its staggering failure rate which makes addiction "recovery" harder
than it needs to be.
And the cost for teaching people how to quit once and for all? Little
to no expenditure. It's amazing what a little encouragement in the
form of Informed Consent to someone within the grip of substance
addiction can accomplish in regards to their goal of quitting.
Unfortunately, the opposite occurs every single day within AAmerica:
People are told "once an addict, always an addict" and are encouraged
to remain within the system rather than leave it for good.
As a whole, the recovery group movement and addiction "treatment"
industry cannot be reformed. It can only be abolished. All or
nothing. Black and white. It can all end with as little as a walkout
with ZERO bureaucratic intervention.
For someone who claims not to be a Buchmanite you remain awfully
defensive about your group affiliation. Then again you are a
Buchmanite. To the max. I have the evidence in your own words, no
less. No one is being fooled here.
> Don't be so infatuated with my desire not to be afilliated with you
> on a personal level. I don't hang with too many steppers either.
> rationaldl
- From "short comings" to "afilliated"? You ARE a Buchmanite!
Heh heh heh...and YOU just had to TELL me all of that, right? It's
been...what, over three months? Here I am, chillin' and enjoying the
summer and you got another wild hair. Doesn't matter. Just keep
typin' away.
Besides, who sent that E-mail on Monday, 26 Jun 2006? I surely didn't
so it appears that someone else was looking for some affila...err,
attention.
Like, say...oh, a snubbed online predator who just happens to be a
Buchmanite in denial?
Poor thing. You can't fool everyone.
Oh well. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time.
dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________
Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org *
<The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site>
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Watch as Lee goes back on his word within the space of two sentences. And, as I read this all in hindsight as I format this for publication, if he claims that he doesn't "waste too much time with men who rant and rave" could that also mean that he didn't even bother reading The Orange Papers website?
And, sadly, he links to that site from his. What a pathetic fraud!
From: |
ARID Site <thearidsite@juno.com> |
To: |
"DONALD LEE" |
Date: |
Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:41:47 -0400 |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:38:43 +0000 "DONALD LEE" writes: > here like I said I don'y waste too much time with men who rant and > rave. And yet you're still replying. Pathetic. > Check the site not the one labeled [Link omitted. --Ed], we'll > speak again this is for sure. And you contradict yourself yet again after one sentence: You say you won't waste your time yet "we'll" (there is no "we") speak again. That's a sure sign of being untrustworthy and/or, concerning your mention of "we", schizophrenic. Besides, not once have you refuted any of the points I've brought up. Not once. You are one brainwashed little Buchmanite. > Take care of what you are doing for now. You follow other sites > closely don't you? Yeah. It's called "browsing the Internet". > Lose your affinity for me. > later rationaldl You started this by sending me E-mail and you can end this by not replying. Can you do that? WILL you do that? Or are you going to choose to not accept responsibility for your own actions? Oh well. Be well and live well one LIFETIME at a time. dr.bomb, Ph.D. AVRT(tm) \_____________________________ Editor of The ARID Site * http://www.thearidsite.org * <The Addiction Recovery Information Distribution Site> PGP keys at: <http://www.thearidsite.org/ARIDPGPK.TXT> ** Addiction counseling and groups are total frauds ** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBRKGz+bw9MOKEeRC8EQJC1QCglS9gf0KW2xjF3fRhgeMKQx0KAvgAoL4l 0E5CMs+MCAY6dkO/pqc+unnl =5XVI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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And thus, no response afterwards. At least for now...until he reads this Mailbag. ;->
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